What NOT To Do If You Suspect You Have Been Embezzled


By Pat Little, DDS, FAGD, CFE

As dentists, we have invested enormous time and resources obtaining our education, growing our practices, and pursuing other professional endeavors. Additionally, we invest heavily in training and developing our dental team to assist us in achieving our professional and financial goals. Sadly, over the course of our careers, there is a three in five chance that one or more of our trusted team members will commit embezzlement.

This is a violation of our trust and can be emotionally and financially devastating. Some of you have already been embezzled in the past and know all too well the consequences that result from this crime. Embezzlement also impacts the rest of your team, and they often are afraid you will no longer trust them, which can have a significant impact on team morale. Additionally, you will be required to hire, train, and build trust with a new team member. Therefore, it is imperative that you learn to recognize the early warning signs of embezzlement in order to minimize its impact. It is also paramount that you respond correctly if you suspect someone on your team may be committing embezzlement. If you become concerned that embezzlement is occurring, the natural instinct is to start collecting information and asking questions. Unfortunately, this is often the wrong response. In this article, I will explain how not to react if you suspect embezzlement is occurring in your office.

If you suspect embezzlement, stealth is essential, and nothing should be done to alert the staff that you have concerns.

I admit that it’s easy for me to say, and I’m sure I would have had the same challenges when I practiced. However, if your suspicion turns out to be unfounded, it will be far better if your team remains unaware of your earlier suspicion.

First, mistakenly accusing a suspected team member of impropriety can lead to a wrongful termination lawsuit or other legal issues. At best, the bond of trust that you had with the employee will likely be forever broken. Also, terminating employment based on suspicion may lead to some type of severance obligation. Delaying termination until sufficient evidence is gathered allows a “for cause” discharge, and is far less likely to lead to severance-related liabilities.

Second, alerting the suspect prematurely will give him/her time to hide or destroy evidence. We have seen computers stolen, hard drives removed, backups stolen or destroyed, mysterious computer crashes, and the removal of charts and other patient records from the office. While not our client, we know of a doctor whose office was burned to the ground in an effort to destroy evidence (which in this case was fairly effective!).

For reasons known or unknown to the doctor, an embezzler faces some type of tremendous pressure and has rationalized that the best solution is to steal from you. As the embezzlement ensues, the pressure and stress steadily increase. If the embezzler becomes concerned that you may have discovered suspicious activity, the natural reaction is to “cover their tracks.” Once evidence is lost, it will make the investigation more difficult and expensive, could prevent an effective prosecution or civil recovery, and may well inflict even more emotional and financial damage.

With this in mind, please consider the following advice:

Don’t ask unusual questions or ask for additional reports.

We doctors are often creatures of habit, and for better or for worse, we tend to be consistent in the way we manage our practices. If we suspect someone in our office may be committing embezzlement, the natural tendency will be to start a self-directed investigation by asking questions that typically are not asked. Also, there is a tendency to request additional reports. Additional information requests or changes in procedure will raise suspicion.

Don’t ask the staff to contact outside advisors, your state’s dental board, or insurance companies.

While contacting these entities may be a necessary part of an investigation, these inquiries should be made privately. Any requested documents should be sent to a private location. Faxes can be especially problematic because the documents will be clearly visible to anyone walking by the machine. If you suspect that fraudulent insurance claims may be involved, you could be held vicariously liable for your employee’s actions. Contacting an insurance company prematurely could result in an audit with severe consequences. In this type of situation, it is best to retain an investigator and attorney who are familiar with the dental profession. They will conduct the investigation and communicate with external entities (on a “no-names basis”, if necessary) on your behalf.

Don’t bring in outside advisors during normal office hours, and don’t have these advisors call the office.

While it is common to have your accountant visit during tax season, it is unusual to have accountants show up unexpectedly. Compound this with visits or telephone calls from attorneys and management consultants, and you have the makings of a disaster.

Don’t make bank, vendor or advisor changes.

Any sudden changes of this nature are a sure tip-off that something isn’t right. Gather the evidence first, terminate the employee if appropriate, and comfort the rest of your team before proceeding with major changes in operations. Remember, your remaining team members are going to be feeling shock, hurt, and outrage as well. Throwing too many changes into the mix will add to the stress. Obviously, if one of these parties either participated in, or was negligent in their duties, a change must be made, but again, the change should occur after the employee is terminated and you and your team have had time to digest what has occurred.

Don’t suddenly upgrade software, increase the number of technical support calls, or change your backup procedures.

If you suspect embezzlement is occurring, make multiple backups of your practice management software, financial software, and any other systems that might be affected. However, these activities should be performed after hours in private.

While in general software should be kept updated, it is important not to update during the investigation. We have had clients who became concerned that embezzlement was occurring and called technical support for advice. That advice often included immediately upgrading the software. However, the upgrade process could delete or overwrite data thus destroying evidence. Also, if an employee notices that software has been upgraded, he/she may become suspicious. Once the investigation is complete, a review and update of your business processes are important.

Don’t contact law enforcement – yet.

If you really want to cause the suspect to panic, get the police involved early in the process. This will also alarm your other team members and likely alert your patients that something isn’t right, especially if law enforcement interviews them. Also, the criminal justice process can be protracted. The best course of action is to hire an investigator experienced in dental fraud investigations. The investigation should be conducted in stealth. It is rare that one of our investigators has to make an in-office visit. The dental team is completely unaware that an investigation is taking place. Indeed, the suspect is oblivious to the investigation until he/she is confronted with the evidence. Once employment is terminated, only then would it be appropriate to file a criminal complaint. By having the evidence clearly documented, the investigating officer will be able to conduct a more thorough and expeditious investigation.

As hard as it may be, the key is to stay as calm as possible while evidence is being gathered. Force yourself to smile and say good morning just like you always have in the past. Yes, you may lose some additional money to embezzlement while the investigation is ongoing, but that is far better than botching an investigation, having evidence destroyed which could result in vandalism and theft, and possibly being the recipient of a wrongful termination lawsuit. It is prudent to retain a professional familiar with dental embezzlement to conduct a thorough investigation in stealth. If embezzlement is discovered, the suspect will have no time to react and can be removed from the office so that the remainder of the investigation can be completed and handed over to the proper authorities. Being a victim of embezzlement is a tough and emotional experience. Having the embezzler get away with the crime adds insult to injury, so stay the course and remain calm. Then again, that’s easy for me to say, but please consider taking my advice.

Prosperident has developed a complimentary “Embezzlement Risk Assessment Questionnaire

This questionnaire identifies many of the behavioral warning signs that are associated with embezzlement and assigns them a numerical value. Doctors should review this checklist regularly and take swift action if a sufficient level of warning signs is evident. This questionnaire can be obtained by emailing: requests@dentalembezzlement.com.

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Royse City, TX man sentenced to 10 years in prison for stealing $100,000 from Rockwall dental clinic

blank By J.J. Smith. A Royse City man has been sentenced to ten years in prison by a Rockwall County jury after stealing nearly $100,000 from his former employer, Goliad Dental in Rockwall, owned by Dr. Barney Barnhill. Former Office Manager Billy Ray Benavidez, 35, (pictured above) was ordered to pay a fine of $10,000 by the jury in the 382nd District Court. District Judge Brett Hall also ordered Benavidez to pay $99,942 in restitution to Goliad Dental. His prison term and fine were the maximum allowed by law for theft over $20,000 but under $100,000, according to the chief prosecutor, Rockwall County Assistant District Attorney Damita Sangermano. Goliad Dental Office Administrator Irma Urieta said that Benavidez actually caused Goliad Dental to lose closer to $250,000, including the nearly $100,000 cash he pocketed plus additional discounts he offered to get patients to pay cash. She said they doubt that any of the money will ever be returned to the dental office. We’re just glad it’s over, she said. He was a real con man. We’re glad he got caught. Now we’re just getting back to normal. It hasn’t been fun. According to Sangermano, the thefts occurred between Sept, 2007, and May, 2008, at a time when Benavidez was responsible for all financial operations at the dental clinic. He embezzled all cash paid by patients for dental services and encouraged cash payments from patients by offering them a substantial discount on dental services, not authorized by Dr. Barnhill, she explained. Because Billy Benavidez had access to the patient computer program, he was able to manipulate the records so that the cash payments did not appear, i.e., record them as credit card payments, change the dates, etc. He was the office manager, so no one looked beyond the obvious until a discrepancy came to light and then the entire amount was discovered when an audit was run that showed the changes he was making to conceal his thefts. Urieta said he was caught when a dental assistant checked on a patient’s record to see how the patient had been billed. When she noticed the next day that Benavidez had changed the record, backdated the payment to 2007 so it wouldn’t show up, and that the patient had paid cash, she became suspicious and showed Dr. Barnhill. Soon after, an audit was completed revealing the large sum of money missing, plus Benavidez was caught lying about going to Mexico and was found hiding in the office trying to take evidence. He had all kinds of yellow sticky notes all over the place, she said. Although he claimed he would repay the money, Benavidez was fired May 28, 2008, and police were contacted. He was arrested Oct. 6, 2008 and remained in jail until his trial began in Dec, 2009. Sangermano said that Benavidez had committed a similar crime with his wife at a New Mexico dental clinic before coming to Texas. He was serving five years of probation when he arrived here but nobody realized it. He is currently on probation in Roswell, NM for forgery and committed the same offense against Dr. Carlton Walker, a now retired dentist. He embezzled cash payments from patients in exactly the same way he committed the Rockwall County offense but, in addition, he was submitting fraudulent refund claims to the insurance companies and cashing them. The checks are the basis for the forgery charge. His wife, Rachael Benavidez, was a codefendant in the New Mexico charge and was also placed on probation for her participation in that offense. There was no evidence that his wife was involved in the Rockwall case so there are no charges pending against her, she added. Urieta said they were unaware of his record because their original background check only included Texas. After he was arrested, they paid for a nationwide background check and then learned about his previous crimes. Dr. Barnhill was not aware of his record because Benavidez told Dr. Barnhill that his previous employer could not be contacted because he had retired due to a serious illness, said Sangermano. The Assistant DA said he is currently waiting to be transferred to a Texas prison and from there is facing extradition and sentencing on a probation revocation in New Mexico. It is possible that the New Mexico sentence could be stacked on the Texas sentence which would require the defendant to serve the sentences consecutively. I believe the defendant is facing a penalty range of 1-3 years in New Mexico, she added. Sangermano said that prior to his arrest, he was indicted by a grand jury, after Rockwall police and the Rockwall County District Attorney’s office worked together collecting and reviewing case evidence, witness statements and preparing the indictment. Benavidez was living and working in Rockwall when he was arrested. Urieta said she doesn’t think he realized that Goliad Dental had contacted police and filed charges, nor that he was under investigation until he was arrested.
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From 2002 — Florida office manager accused of bilking dentist


OLDSMAR — Dr. Stephen Grote says he has spent the past 2.5 years working for nothing. But the Oldsmar dentist said he didn’t know it until August, when a trip to the ATM delivered the message “insufficient funds.”

Thus began the start of a lengthy investigation and the discovery that Denise J. Wilson, Grote’s office manager and best friend of 12 years, had embezzled more than $123,000, Pinellas County sheriff’s officials said Wednesday.

“She would write in the recorder that she was paying a check to Florida Power but she was writing it to herself,” said Grote, 53, who has practiced dentistry in Oldsmar for 20 years. “She forged my signature.”

Wilson, 48, of 6625 Fletch Road, Land O’Lakes, was charged Tuesday with grand theft, scheming to defraud and forging 87 checks. She was being held in the Pinellas County jail Wednesday night in lieu of $110,000 bail.

Wilson forged the checks between March 2000 and July 2002 and deposited the funds into a SouthTrust Bank business account for Oral Reconstructive Techniques, a dental laboratory she and her husband ran out of Grote’s office, authorities say. The largest check was for $4,000. Grote said he fired Wilson after discovering the missing money.

“She said that she didn’t have an explanation on why she committed the theft, but that once she started she could not stop,” sheriff’s Detective John Spoor said.

Spoor said Wilson would not say how she spent the money. But, Grote said, during the past two years, she and her husband, Mark Wilson, have remodeled their home, purchased three BMW motorcycles, a Chevrolet Avalanche and taken a European vacation.

Mark Wilson, who has denied knowing about the theft, told authorities he believed his wife was using money from an inheritance to pay for those luxuries. Spoor said he has referred information on Mark Wilson to the Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney’s Office, which will decide whether to file any other charges.

“At this time, the evidence that I have is all toward her because she did the stealing of the checks,” Spoor said.

Reached at home Wednesday night, Mark Wilson declined to comment.

Grote said he has since hired an accountant to review his books. He acknowledges that he failed to have adequate safeguards in place against theft: He had the same person balancing his books and writing the checks.

While the theft has not affected his dental practice, unpaid bills have ruined his credit rating and left him feeling betrayed.

“We are heartbroken for the loss of a friendship,” Grote said. “We thought it was a very sound friendship. It was a total devastation mentally.”

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David Harris interviewed by syndicated columnist Dennis Beaver Nov 2016

Prosperident CEO David Harris was recently interviewed by Dennis Beaver, a California-based attorney who writes a column called You and the Law that appears in many newspapers in the US.  The topic was “what to do after discovering embezzlement.”

You can read the article that came from the interview here — http://dennisbeaver.com/what-to-do-after-discovering-embezzlement/


We are pleased to be mentioned in Fraud Magazine

We are pleased to have received a mention in Fraud Magazine, the magazine of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners.  Kelly Paxton, a well-known fraud investigator famous for her research, writing and speaking on “pink collar crime” (embezzlers at lower levels in organizations) wrote an article on this topic where she was kind enough to mention our work.  The article can be found here — http://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294994705.


This story has an interesting ending.  After the article was written (and really having nothing to do with the article at all), we made the wise decision to add Kelly to our team of examiners.  You can see her profile HERE.  We are thrilled to have Kelly on our team!

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PA dentist sues former employee and her husband for embezzlement — alleges million dollar theft


When Teresa Young pleaded guilty to stealing money from her former employer, she agreed to repay $10,334.

Her former employer, Dr. Duane A. Gruber, has filed a civil suit alleging that she stole much more – about $1 million.

Gruber also sued Young’s husband, Wayne, alleging he conspired with her to steal the money and benefited from her illegal doings.

The Youngs deny that Wayne knew what his wife was doing, and agree with the accusations only so far as to what she admitted in her criminal case.

Gruber, a dentist, charged Mrs. Young with conversion, breach of fiduciary duty and fraud, and both Youngs, of 358 Kennard-Osgood Road, Sugar Grove Township, with conspiracy and unjust enrichment.

Gruber, whose dental practice is in Hempfield Township, said he was alerted by the IRS in about January 2011 of “significant financial irregularities.”

He hired a dental practice consultant to investigate the practice’s finances and come up with policies and procedures to improve management and productivity.

The consultant discovered that Young misappropriated funds, the suit said.

Gruber alleged Young manipulated financial records and patient bills, inflated supply purchasing, misappropriated cash payments and distorted bookkeeping, collections and billings.

Young denied the allegations, other then to admit writing 18 checks to herself or credit card companies for $8,600 on a Gruber account.

A search of Pennsylvania records reveals a number of convictions for a Teresa Young, including several for passing bad checks and one for theft by deception.

Gruber also alleged that Young contracted for better medical and vision benefits for herself, ordered excess dental supplies, gave her family and friends free dental care and manipulated office hours and payroll to receive additional and unearned pay for vacation days.

Young denied all of those allegations. She said all treatment received by family members complied with company policy, and that dental supplies were ordered by someone else.

Gruber charged that Young used the stolen money to buy horses and equipment and pay expenses for the family business, Young’s Performance Horses, allegations the Youngs denied.

As far as Wayne Young’s involvement, the Youngs said he had no knowledge of his wife’s illegal activities, and received no direct benefit from them.

The sides could not agree on Young’s duties during her 20 years with Gruber, with Young arguing she had far less control of the practice than Gruber alleged.

Notice of the suit was filed Jan. 28, 2013, while the complaint was not filed until May 1.

The Youngs filed their answer May 29, the day Mrs. Young was paroled from jail after being sentenced in November to serve 11 to 23 months.

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Pennsylvania woman charged with embezzlement

blank NEWELL-A Newell woman is facing charges that she embezzled money from a Beaver, Pa., dentist’s office where she worked as a secretary.

Stacey Marie Franczek, 38, of Harrison Street in Newell, has been charged with felony counts of theft, theft by deception, receiving stolen property and forgery for allegedly stealing more than $4,100 from the dentist’s office of Dr. Pamela Crumrine, a Beaver police report said.

Franczek is accused of taking 32 checks intended for Crumrine-21 personal patient checks and 11 insurance checks-and depositing them for her own use, according to a complaint filed by Beaver police Detective James DeGori.

Beaver police began investigating Franczek in February after Crumrine reported that a former office receptionist/secretary was under suspicion of forgery and theft. The dentist provided copies of two checks that had been submitted by patients but had been made payable to Franczek, the report said.

Crumrine began an internal investigation when she received a letter from a patient saying that the “pay to the order of” section of the check had been made out to Franczek, the report said. Another patient said he did not make the check payable to anyone because he had been advised the office had a stamp for that purpose.

In March, Beaver police executed a search warrant at PNC Bank and discovered 32 checks intended for Crumrine that Franczek allegedly had deposited into her personal checking account, the report said.

In an interview with police, Franczek allegedly admitted that she had taken the checks and deposited them into her bank account, the report said. The amount totalled $4,188.50.

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Texas woman who forged 163 prescriptions sentenced to five years’ probation


A Greenwood woman addicted to pain medications she stole from her employer was given a five-year probation sentence Thursday morning.

Misty Michelle Tullos wrote 163 fraudulent prescriptions for pills containing hydrocodone for herself while she worked as the office manager for Midland dentist Dr. Frank Kasman, according to court records.

Tullos was employed by Kasman’s office for eight years, and between Sept. 1, 2008, and March 20, 2010, she began calling pharmacies around Midland and Odessa and placing orders for Kasman for the medications. She used her son’s, husband’s or other family member’s name as the recipient of the drugs, court documents showed. She also ordered multiple 100-count bottles from health care distributor Henry Schein Inc.

Tullos was arrested on Oct. 29 following her federal indictment two days previously and signed a guilty plea deal with the court on Dec. 15.

Judge Robert Junell on Thursday ordered her to pay $9,157.24 in restitution; $4,125 of that is to be paid to Kasman and the remainder to Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas. She also was fined $3,000 by the court and will pay a $100 fee to the crime victim’s fund.

When Junell asked Tullos if she had anything to say to Kasman, who was sitting in the courtroom, she turned to him and apologized.

“I’m sorry for betraying your trust and confidence, Dr. Kasman,” she said.

Her attorney, Rodion Cantacuzene Jr., told the court that Kasman took his client in and helped advance her career and that Tullos understands how angry he must be at her, and that it was difficult for her to address him now.

“She’s sorry. And for her, I would like to relay that to you,” he told Kasman.

Cantacuzene then told Junell that Tullos is devastated by what she’s done to her family and she believes she’s let her husband and children down. He said she hopes she will be able to tell her children not to do drugs because of what’s happened to her.

“It’s crashed her as a human being,” he said. “The one person she can’t forgive is herself but she’s starting to work on it.”

Her attorney said that after she had had surgery and lost a friend, it was hard for her to get up and go to work. She began to take the opiates and thought, “I’ll take a few more. I have to take care of my family,” he told the court, adding that that was how she developed the addiction.

He asked Junell to sentence her to the maximum probation term of five years in lieu of prison; Tullos could have received six months in federal prison.

“She is reminded every day of what she had risked, and I don’t think she’ll risk it again,” Cantacuzene said.

Assistant U.S. Attorney John Klassen told Junell that he and law enforcement have worked these types of cases in the past, but this one by far involved the most fraudulent prescriptions.

“We’re not prosecuting her for being a drug addict but because she passed forged prescriptions,” he said.

He asked Junell that if her punishment was to be probation that it be some with “teeth.”

“I think there needs to be an element of punishment so she’s reminded of what she’s done,” Klassen said.

Junell handed down the five-year probation sentence but added several restrictions to the terms. Tullos is to remain on home confinement between the hours of 9 p.m. and 6 a.m. and must attend a drug rehabilitation program and be drug-tested on a regular basis.

She also will take part in a mental health program and perform 300 hours of community service. Tullos must notify her probation officer within 48 hours if she receives any prescription from her physician and also inform any employer of the federal conviction.

Tullos submitted to a urinalysis test before her 9 a.m. court appointment Thursday, Cantacuzene reminded the court. Then Junell said drug tests will continue periodically during her probation term.

“Ms. Tullos, you are not the victim in this case. You are the perpetrator. You are a mature woman and you made a really bad choice,” Junell said. “If you do not follow the rules of probation, I will revoke it and send you to prison.”

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From Reddit.com — how people forge opiate prescriptions

all 19 comments

[–]patrickkevinsaysDeath City 7 points

In this day and age? Good luck.

[–]843tanshoesRigFlairWooooooo -1 points

I’m trying to hear some stories from “the good ol’ days” when you could forge scripts.

[–]zasinzoop 1 point

my boyfriend and his friends pharmacy hopped a lot in the late nineties. he had a script for oxys at the time and filled them multiple times every month. his friends stole a script pad and got away with it a few times. one pharmacy caught on and just took it and told her not to come back or they’d call the police. can you imagine trying that now? i always tell him his generation of addicts ruined it for mine.


[–]3NZ3Rrogue.pharmacist 1 point

“the good ol’ days” are RIGHT NOW believe it or not.

As long as doctors continue to write prescriptions on PAPER and let you leave the office to take it ANY DAMN PHARMACY you wish without ANY kind of database that tracks prescriptions BEFORE they are filled… (yes, im well aware of state monitoring systems that log prescriptions AFTER they are filled) ….well, then yes, getting counterfeit prescriptions filled is way too easy and will continue to happen until the current method is drastically changed.


[–]thelastvirgin 1 point

I know someone who’s dad is a pain doctor. He was saying that he would steal his Rx pad and go through his files and find the numbers used to call in the scripts. Said he’d call in 80mg oc’s and all other kinds of shit. Wish I had met him a few years earlier.

[–]veblensf 7 points

Yes, there’s nothing like ruining your father’s career.

[–]thelastvirgin 1 point



[–]Stellasully 1 point

Yeah, not anymore….

[–]stahmpcollectorLick it and stick it 2 points

This is not realistically possible in this day and age. Everything is tracked electronically and if you try and write for anything scheduled or abuseable they will contact the doctor in question to verify. It’s just not worth it for the kind of federal pound-me-in-the-ass time you will do.


[–]oh_no_five_oh 10 points

You may be able to knock off a script or two but it’ll catch up to you. The DEA actually contacted my department and told us not to arrest someone who was hitting up all of our local pharmacies with fake scripts because they were waiting until the guy passed a certain number of them so they could charge him with some crazy federal level serious shit.

[–]SmallManBigMouth 1 point

Ah, building a case I see.

[–]dirtbiscuitwo 0 points

I guess it hasn’t occurred to this person that they should have busted long ago?..sounds like an addict off the “fuck it” or someone hard up for cash being used. How sad.

[–]PixelPlayaOsamaBinNoddin 1 point

a couple years back i knew this chick that got her hands on a script pad. She was able to get like 5-6 diff scripts in a months period, but then got careless and got caught, while attempting to fill a script …at 2:30am

She got lucky though, it was her first offence, and the judge just ordered a 90 day rehab.

[–][deleted] 1 point

A girl I was in rehab with worked at a pain management clinic and was writing her own scripts. She did not get caught but finally fessed up anyway.

Aside from a situation like that… Unlikely.

[–]indalceciothat’s mine i dropped it 2 points

it’s possible with C-III drugs but not really C-II. well anything is possible but you have to be one of those natural criminals who just knows how to find weaknesses in systems and such. even then you’ll get caught anyway. C-III drugs you can get away with a few times, but that’s the problem, nobody ever knows when to stop. everyone always says they’ll be the one to know when to stop and not get greedy but when you’re sick and you successfully pulled it off a few times you just tell yourself “just do it and once it’s over with you won’t be worrying about being caught,”it’s a hard thought process to explain but you basically just push the chance of failure out of your mind because you so badly want the feeling of getting a score and having your drugs. it’s a losing game, forging scripts.

[–]3NZ3Rrogue.pharmacist 1 point

It’s really not as hard as people seem to think it is. The trick here is not to forge stolen script pads but to learn how to COUNTERFEIT prescription slips. It CAN be done still to this day. A big part of it just depends on getting lucky with passing them to careless or newer pharmacist. Yes even schedule 2 pharms… I’ve done it with #120 roxy 30s and #60 Opana 40s and more xanax soma valium and klonopin than I can even count.


[–]bottom_bitch_pikachu 1 point

A dude of mine used to run down to cities a couple hours away, to 24 hour pharms, had fake scrip pads and a TON of diff fake IDs, would use these in tandem to somehow move a shitload of pills. Feds caught him eventually and he was fucked, but damn he got away with it for a while.

[–]Tihkalittletrip 1 point

My dentist gave me roxy 5 mg like 3-4 times a fees years ago and I changed it to a 15… So glad to this day I never got caught


[–]vinnySTAXKeep runnin, runnin, never runnin out of money 1 point

I’ve seen it work if you are able to get ahold of a legit script pad, and know the doctor’s personal “DEA number” and also know exactly what to write and keep the script numbers within reason. That having been said, I’ve never seen it keep working and never catch up with the people who were doing it. At some point, there’s always that unwanted knock at the door.

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FL dentist’s daughter allegedly forged 500+ pain pill prescriptions

blank A Lakeland dentist’s daughter is behind bars after Polk County Sheriff’s deputies say she forged hundreds of prescriptions using her father’s prescription pad. According to detectives, Stacey Sumner, 46, forged prescription painkillers for herself and patients. Now, the entire office at Sonrise Dental Clinic on Bartow Road in Lakeland is under investigation by both the PCSO and the Department of Health. Investigators said Sumner worked as a receptionist at the clinic, where her father is also the dentist. Sumner’s father, Dr. William Johnson, told investigators he knew his daughter was addicted to Hydrocodone. He declined to comment to Bay News 9 at his office Friday. Dr. Johnson has his own trouble; investigators said there are missing and incomplete records on his patients. Deputies said cell phone video, taken by a confidential source, shows Sumner forging her father’s name on a prescription for Hydrocodone. It was one of more than 500 she allegedly forged over the past 15 months. Investigators said Sumner was using family and friends who were patients at the clinic to fill the prescriptions. One of those friends, Lois McDermott, has also been arrested. “[Sumner] would either give the friend some money to cash them in at the pharmacy, or give them some pills in return, and she would direct them to which pharmacies to go to,” Polk Co. Sheriff Grady Judd said. According to Judd, so many prescriptions for Hydrocodone had been written, some area pharmacies stopped accepting their prescriptions from the clinic. “I don’t see anything that’s going on,” one of Johnson’s patients, Dorothy Fuqua — whose son was having dental work done at the clinic — said. “We’re not here to get pain pills. He’s just in there getting three teeth pulled.” Judd said there may be more arrests in the case that come as the investigation continues. “I’m not naïve enough to think this is the end of it right here,” Judd said, “not when you have this many prescriptions.” Sumner is charged with trafficking Hydrocodone, forgery and obtaining prescription by fraud. She was arrested in 2002 for the same crime, also while working for her father.
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